Spelling Words: We have a spellingcity.com membership now! Your username is your FirstLast so for example AllyssaKerby, but with your name just like that. Capital to start both names with no space in between them. Your password is kerby. You are already assigned to the hard or normal words on this website.

You should do the word study today and take the quiz on spellingcity. 

Regular: money, letter, milk, horse, kitty, shortest, talked, bigger, walking, biggest

Hard: thousand, perhaps, ocean, travel, bought, freezing, biggest, tripped, easiest, brighter

Reading: Today you should practice read to self. You should read for AT LEAST 20 minutes with a BOOK. I know you should have books at home.. At least the ones I gave you every month. Some of you are wondering what will happen with the March, April, and May books.. I have it for you and will get it to you when I can go back into the school.

Mrs. Abu-Rus: She has assigned the 3rd animal research project on butterflies with a few questions. Please complete this by Sunday the latest.

Writing: Today’s Prompt: “The best game to play in the spring is…” I am also including more writing activities in different subjects. I also want you to write a chapter of a book a day. What does this mean? It means YOU are the author.. Like Mo Willems taught us!

Science: Here is a mystery Doug lesson on birds laying eggs in the spring. There is a bonus, too! I have included an assignment to go along with this in the assignments tab. https://mysteryscience.com/mini-lessons/birds-spring?code=63263164aa47ed631aaad0a349414686

Math: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnXJGNo08v0 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0ROMZ7U9po are here if you need it.

https://www.abcya.com/games/learning_coins Have some fun!! 

https://www.abcya.com/games/money_bingo When you play this one, start with the coins you know and keep working your way up!

Please continue to keep up on Zearn. You should be done with module 7 lesson 6 by Monday!!

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Nothing below here is REQUIRED.. it is only extra if you need it.

YouTube: I am linking my YouTube channel here for you all. I will read a book, or part of a book, almost everyday. I will talk about vocabulary words and I will give you ideas of what to write about afterwards. Keep checking my channel though for new material.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCS-5HJynMJBaw3ucdrQP8rw?view_as=subscriber

RazKids: I will sometimes assign books or activities where you need to read the book out loud and it will record you so I can hear you. If I do not do that, please read any books you want on there. It IS telling me how you score on the quizzes… so please do your best. 

Social Studies: This game is fun! It tells you a state and to click and you have to click it. This is really 3rd grade work, but how cool!! Play this a couple times! Nick and I have been playing it, too! There are some harder games like naming the capitals, too! https://online.seterra.com/en/vgp/3003

Scholastic News: Pick your favorite! Please watch the video, and listen to the magazine online. Please look at the vocab words and play the game, too. You do not have the magazine, so just do it online for now!

Gym: It is very cold, but if you can, go outside and stay in your yard, go for a family walk, get some fresh air! Today we are supposed to get snow!!!If you cannot do these activities because of the snow/rain try go noogle! Don’t forget to check the gym blog! GoNoodle: Home Mr. Haliburda’s Blog: https://iblog.dearbornschools.org/halibuf/

Music: I am including a new song this week! It is to help you learn the capitals of all of the states! I have been practicing it, too! Don’t forget to check Ms. Bagnall’s blog:  https://iblog.dearbornschools.org/bagnalj/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh_d9NoN3J0

Media: You are already doing it, BUT don’t forget to check Mrs. Turk’s google classroom you did in class! She is posting items in it for you! Her blog is: https://iblog.dearbornschools.org/turklib/

Art: Mrs. Thomas has 40 days of art on her blog for you to do. Mo Willems, who we have studied in class, is doing daily activities, as well. Mo Willems. Don’t forget to check Mrs. Thomas’ blog:  https://iblog.dearbornschools.org/thomas/

Happy Thursday!

Spelling Words: We have a spellingcity.com membership now! Your username is your FirstLast so for example AllyssaKerby, but with your name just like that. Capital to start both names with no space in between them. Your password is kerby. You are already assigned to the hard or normal words on this website.

Regular: money, letter, milk, horse, kitty, shortest, talked, bigger, walking, biggest

Hard: thousand, perhaps, ocean, travel, bought, freezing, biggest, tripped, easiest, brighter

Reading: Today you should practice reading to someone. You should read for AT LEAST 20 minutes with a BOOK. I know you should have books at home.. At least the ones I gave you every month. Some of you are wondering what will happen with the March, April, and May books.. I have it for you and will get it to you when I can go back into the school.

Mrs. Abu-Rus: She has assigned an animal research project with a few questions. Please complete this by tomorrow. 

Writing: Today’s Prompt: “Not all kids are the same, but most kids are like _______ because…” I am also including more writing activities in different subjects. I also want you to write a chapter of a book a day. What does this mean? It means YOU are the author.. Like Mo Willems taught us!

Social Studies: Mobymax! A quiz on your lesson on maps. You login to MobyMax through clever! 

Math: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnXJGNo08v0 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0ROMZ7U9po are here if you need it.

Module 7 lesson 6 for today. I added the normal link for the lesson. Do not forget to do this lesson on Zearn today.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yqv5ElEOARg Please continue to keep up on Zearn. You should be done with module 7 lesson 5 by today!!!

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YouTube: I am linking my YouTube channel here for you all. I will read a book, or part of a book, almost everyday. I will talk about vocabulary words and I will give you ideas of what to write about afterwards. Keep checking my channel though for new material.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCS-5HJynMJBaw3ucdrQP8rw?view_as=subscriber

RazKids: I will sometimes assign books or activities where you need to read the book out loud and it will record you so I can hear you. If I do not do that, please read any books you want on there. It IS telling me how you score on the quizzes… so please do your best. 

Social Studies: This game is fun! It tells you a state and to click and you have to click it. This is really 3rd grade work, but how cool!! Play this a couple times! Nick and I have been playing it, too! There are some harder games like naming the capitals, too! https://online.seterra.com/en/vgp/3003

Science: Here is a mystery Doug lesson for Earth Day! There is a bonus, too! https://mysteryscience.com/mini-lessons/old-earth?code=54a6567879db27348033d44df6b212c9

Scholastic News: Pick your favorite! Please watch the video, and listen to the magazine online. Please look at the vocab words and play the game, too. You do not have the magazine, so just do it online for now!

Gym: It is very cold, but if you can, go outside and stay in your yard, go for a family walk, get some fresh air! Today we are supposed to get snow!!!If you cannot do these activities because of the snow/rain try go noogle! Don’t forget to check the gym blog! GoNoodle: Home Mr. Haliburda’s Blog: https://iblog.dearbornschools.org/halibuf/

Music: I am including a new song this week! It is to help you learn the capitals of all of the states! I have been practicing it, too! Don’t forget to check Ms. Bagnall’s blog:  https://iblog.dearbornschools.org/bagnalj/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh_d9NoN3J0

Media: You are already doing it, BUT don’t forget to check Mrs. Turk’s google classroom you did in class! She is posting items in it for you! Her blog is: https://iblog.dearbornschools.org/turklib/

Art: Mrs. Thomas has 40 days of art on her blog for you to do. Mo Willems, who we have studied in class, is doing daily activities, as well. Mo Willems. Don’t forget to check Mrs. Thomas’ blog:  https://iblog.dearbornschools.org/thomas/

Happy Wednesday! I have had some parents asking me about zoom. We cannot use zoom either. The district has us at a stand still. I also have some kids and parents asking about their things still in the school. The 2nd grade team is working together to try and get your items bagged up for you to come get them. Right now, nothing has been officially decided.

Spelling Words: We have a spellingcity.com membership now! Your username is your FirstLast so for example AllyssaKerby, but with your name just like that. Capital to start both names with no space in between them. Your password is kerby. You are already assigned to the hard or normal words on this website.

Regular: money, letter, milk, horse, kitty, shortest, talked, bigger, walking, biggest

Hard: thousand, perhaps, ocean, travel, bought, freezing, biggest, tripped, easiest, brighter

Reading: Today you should practice read to self. You should read for AT LEAST 20 minutes with a BOOK. I know you should have books at home.. At least the ones I gave you every month. Some of you are wondering what will happen with the March, April, and May books.. I have it for you and will get it to you when I can go back into the school.

Mrs. Abu-Rus: She has assigned a butterfly assignment with a few questions. Please complete this by today! 

Writing: Today’s Prompt: “If you had a secret who would you share it with and why?” I am also including more writing activities in different subjects. I also want you to write a chapter of a book a day. What does this mean? It means YOU are the author.. Like Mo Willems taught us!

Social Studies: Mobymax! A lesson on maps. You login to MobyMax through clever! Tomorrow you will have a quiz on maps.

Math: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnXJGNo08v0 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0ROMZ7U9po

Please listen to this song.. Maybe even more than once! It is VERY catchy and will be VERY helpful this week. After hearing these two songs, there is a touch money worksheet to be done! Please continue to keep up on Zearn. You should be done with module 7 lesson 5 by today!!!

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YouTube: I am linking my YouTube channel here for you all. I will read a book, or part of a book, almost everyday. I will talk about vocabulary words and I will give you ideas of what to write about afterwards. Keep checking my channel though for new material.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCS-5HJynMJBaw3ucdrQP8rw?view_as=subscriber

RazKids: I will sometimes assign books or activities where you need to read the book out loud and it will record you so I can hear you. If I do not do that, please read any books you want on there. It IS telling me how you score on the quizzes… so please do your best. 

Social Studies: This game is fun! It tells you a state and to click and you have to click it. This is really 3rd grade work, but how cool!! Play this a couple times! Nick and I have been playing it, too! There are some harder games like naming the capitals, too! https://online.seterra.com/en/vgp/3003

Science: Here is a mystery Doug lesson for Earth Day! There is a bonus, too! https://mysteryscience.com/mini-lessons/old-earth?code=54a6567879db27348033d44df6b212c9

Scholastic News: Pick your favorite! Please watch the video, and listen to the magazine online. Please look at the vocab words and play the game, too. You do not have the magazine, so just do it online for now!

Gym: It is very cold, but if you can, go outside and stay in your yard, go for a family walk, get some fresh air! Today we are supposed to get snow!!!If you cannot do these activities because of the snow/rain try go noogle! Don’t forget to check the gym blog! GoNoodle: Home Mr. Haliburda’s Blog: https://iblog.dearbornschools.org/halibuf/

Music: I am including a new song this week! It is to help you learn the capitals of all of the states! I have been practicing it, too! Don’t forget to check Ms. Bagnall’s blog:  https://iblog.dearbornschools.org/bagnalj/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh_d9NoN3J0

Media: You are already doing it, BUT don’t forget to check Mrs. Turk’s google classroom you did in class! She is posting items in it for you! Her blog is: https://iblog.dearbornschools.org/turklib/
Art: Mrs. Thomas has 40 days of art on her blog for you to do. Mo Willems, who we have studied in class, is doing daily activities, as well. Mo Willems. Don’t forget to check Mrs. Thomas’ blog:  https://iblog.dearbornschools.org/thomas/

Happy Tuesday!  Google chat and Google meet will no longer work for the rest of the year. I am back to posting the plans directly here because I got so many requests from different e-mails trying to view the document. Anyway, thanks for working with me as we continue to figure it out.

Spelling Words: We have a spellingcity.com membership now! Your username is your FirstLast name just like that. Capital to start both names with no space in between them. Your password is kerby. You are already assigned to the hard or normal words on this website.

Regular: money, letter, milk, horse, kitty, shortest, talked, bigger, walking, biggest

Hard: thousand, perhaps, ocean, travel, bought, freezing, biggest, tripped, easiest, brighter

Reading: Today you should practice read to someone You should read for AT LEAST 20 minutes with a BOOK. I know you should have books at home.. At least the ones I gave you every month. Some of you are wondering what will happen with the March, April, and May books.. I have it for you and will get it to you when I can go back into the school.

Mrs. Abu-Rus: She has assigned a butterfly assignment with a few questions. Please complete this by today! 

Writing: Today’s Prompt: “Make a list of 10 things you see, hear, and smell, that remind you of spring.” I am also including more writing activities in different subjects. I also want you to write a chapter of a book a day. What does this mean? It means YOU are the author.. Like Mo Willems taught us!

Science: Mobymax! A quiz on the lesson about animals from yesterday. You login to MobyMax through clever!

Math: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnXJGNo08v0 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0ROMZ7U9po

Please listen to this song.. Maybe even more than once! It is VERY catchy and will be VERY helpful this week. After hearing these two songs, there is a touch money worksheet to be done! Please continue to keep up on Zearn. You should be done with module 7 lesson 5 by today!!!

______________________________________________________________________________

YouTube: I am linking my YouTube channel here for you all. I will read a book, or part of a book, almost everyday. I will talk about vocabulary words and I will give you ideas of what to write about afterwards. Keep checking my channel though for new material.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCS-5HJynMJBaw3ucdrQP8rw?view_as=subscriber

RazKids: I will sometimes assign books or activities where you need to read the book out loud and it will record you so I can hear you. If I do not do that, please read any books you want on there. It IS telling me how you score on the quizzes… so please do your best. 

Social Studies: This game is fun! It tells you a state and to click and you have to click it. This is really 3rd grade work, but how cool!! Play this a couple times! Nick and I have been playing it, too! There are some harder games like naming the capitals, too! https://online.seterra.com/en/vgp/3003

Science: Here is a mystery Doug lesson for Earth Day! There is a bonus, too! https://mysteryscience.com/mini-lessons/old-earth?code=54a6567879db27348033d44df6b212c9

Scholastic News: Pick your favorite! Please watch the video, and listen to the magazine online. Please look at the vocab words and play the game, too. You do not have the magazine, so just do it online for now!

Gym: It is very cold, but if you can, go outside and stay in your yard, go for a family walk, get some fresh air! Today we are supposed to get snow!!!If you cannot do these activities because of the snow/rain try go noogle! Don’t forget to check the gym blog! GoNoodle: Home Mr. Haliburda’s Blog: https://iblog.dearbornschools.org/halibuf/

Music: I am including a new song this week! It is to help you learn the capitals of all of the states! I have been practicing it, too! Don’t forget to check Ms. Bagnall’s blog:  https://iblog.dearbornschools.org/bagnalj/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh_d9NoN3J0

Media: You are already doing it, BUT don’t forget to check Mrs. Turk’s google classroom you did in class! She is posting items in it for you! Her blog is: https://iblog.dearbornschools.org/turklib/

Art: Mrs. Thomas has 40 days of art on her blog for you to do. Mo Willems, who we have studied in class, is doing daily activities, as well. Mo Willems. Don’t forget to check Mrs. Thomas’ blog:  https://iblog.dearbornschools.org/thomas/

Hi everyone! I have a few things to share.

First, we are no longer allowed to use google chat or meet according to the district. This means our group calls this week (Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday) are currently cancelled. I am unsure if we will use a new system because the training for the new system did not go as planned this weekend. I wanted to hold some 1 on 1 meetings with the kids this week, but right now that is on hold. I AM SO SORRY.

Second, we now have the premium membership to spellingcity.com. Your child can Log in with their name like this: FirstLast and the password is: kerby.

Mrs. Abu-Rus has lessons I will be posting on her behalf. The kids should be completing these, so I will include it in the plans.

I am linking our weekly plan here! https://docs.google.com/document/d/18g5jwt5aAfslcdoOjcyYqjOejB_xJn9U7HF610YKoto/edit?usp=sharing

Hi! Plans are being linked here. You can just click it and it should open to a new tab. I am trying it this way to make it easier on parents to be able to see the weekly schedule and the daily schedule open at the same time.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ciN2O_12tpOyQFXpS-5NfKKRiYS3_G9rcglkZYCkGNs/edit?usp=sharing

With Ramadan starting many of our students/families may be tired and trying to adjust to this change during this already very stressful time. With that being said today’s plans should be quicker than normal. Overview: spelling test, social studies test on MobyMax, Writing, and the math test if you have not done it already.

Spelling Words: Have someone give you a spelling test. 

Regular: word, summer, whisper, shell, purple, woman, women, goose, geese, mouse, mice

Hard: built, island, force, contain, English, child, children, tomato, tomatoes, person, people

Reading: Today you should practice reading to self. You should read for AT LEAST 20 minutes with a BOOK. I know you should have books at home.. At least the ones I gave you every month. Some of you are wondering what will happen with the March, April, and May books.. I have it for you and will get it to you when I can go back into the school.

Writing: Today’s Prompt: “Tell about a time you felt proud of yourself or someone else in your family.” I am also including more writing activities in different subjects. I also want you to write a chapter of a book a day. What does this mean? It means YOU are the author.. Like Mo Willems taught us!

Social Studies: Mobymax! How do people and places change overtime. Please complete the quiz! You login to MobyMax through clever!

Math: https://app.edulastic.com/#renderResource/close/MzgxOTE3MTI1NQ%3D%3D This is a topic A quiz from module 7. This is due TODAY. You can do any sprints left in our sprint journal for modules 3-6. Catch up on Zearn. Log into happy numbers, or khanacademy.com/mappers, or xtra math!  Please continue to keep up on Zearn. You should be done with module 7 lesson 5 by Monday!!!

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YouTube: I am linking my YouTube channel here for you all. I will read a book, or part of a book, almost everyday. I will talk about vocabulary words and I will give you ideas of what to write about afterwards. Keep checking my channel though for new material.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCS-5HJynMJBaw3ucdrQP8rw?view_as=subscriber

RazKids: I will sometimes assign books or activities where you need to read the book out loud and it will record you so I can hear you. If I do not do that, please read any books you want on there. It IS telling me how you score on the quizzes… so please do your best. 

Social Studies: This game is fun! It tells you a state and to click and you have to click it. This is really 3rd grade work, but how cool!! Play this a couple times! Nick and I have been playing it, too! There are some harder games like naming the capitals, too! https://online.seterra.com/en/vgp/3003

Science: Here is a mystery Doug lesson for Earth Day! There is a bonus, too! https://mysteryscience.com/mini-lessons/old-earth?code=54a6567879db27348033d44df6b212c9

Scholastic News: Pick your favorite! Please watch the video, and listen to the magazine online. Please look at the vocab words and play the game, too. You do not have the magazine, so just do it online for now!

Gym: It is very cold, but if you can, go outside and stay in your yard, go for a family walk, get some fresh air! Today we are supposed to get snow!!!If you cannot do these activities because of the snow/rain try go noogle! Don’t forget to check the gym blog! GoNoodle: Home Mr. Haliburda’s Blog: https://iblog.dearbornschools.org/halibuf/

Music: I am including a new song this week! It is to help you learn the capitals of all of the states! I have been practicing it, too! Don’t forget to check Ms. Bagnall’s blog:  https://iblog.dearbornschools.org/bagnalj/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh_d9NoN3J0

Media: You are already doing it, BUT don’t forget to check Mrs. Turk’s google classroom you did in class! She is posting items in it for you! Her blog is: https://iblog.dearbornschools.org/turklib/
Art: Mrs. Thomas has 40 days of art on her blog for you to do. Mo Willems, who we have studied in class, is doing daily activities, as well. Mo Willems. Don’t forget to check Mrs. Thomas’ blog:  https://iblog.dearbornschools.org/thomas/

We will have our Chromebook Distribution on Tuesday, April 28th, from 3:00-4:30. It will take place in front of the main entrance of the school in a drive-up format. If you have requested a chromebook from me, you are on the list. If you have not asked for one and need one, let me know!

Happy Thursday! Do not forget to go back to my post from midday yesterday and apply for free seeds through the Dearborn Public Library. Next week we will start the 2 video chats a week, too! Thanks for working with me during all of this. I am so proud of how hard your kids (and you!) have been working and I appreciate it.

Spelling Words: go to spellingcity.com and complete an activity! There is no username or password for spelling city. This link will take you right to the site with games. If you lose this site, you can search my name for a teacher and the lists should come up. I also uploaded spelling worksheets that you can copy or print!  https://www.spellingcity.com/users/kerbya

Regular: word, summer, whisper, shell, purple, woman, women, goose, geese, mouse, mice

Hard: built, island, force, contain, English, child, children, tomato, tomatoes, person, people

Reading: Today you should practice reading to self. You should read for AT LEAST 20 minutes with a BOOK. I know you should have books at home.. At least the ones I gave you every month. Some of you are wondering what will happen with the March, April, and May books.. I have it for you and will get it to you when I can go back into the school.

RazKids: I will sometimes assign books or activities where you need to read the book out loud and it will record you so I can hear you. If I do not do that, please read any books you want on there. It IS telling me how you score on the quizzes… so please do your best. 

Writing: Today’s Prompt: “Imagine you were carried away by a bunch of balloons. Where do you go and what happened? ” I am also including more writing activities in different subjects. I also want you to write a chapter of a book a day. What does this mean? It means YOU are the author.. Like Mo Willems taught us!

Social Studies: Mobymax! How do people and places change overtime. Please do the lesson. Tomorrow you will take a quiz on these things on MobyMax. You can take the quiz today if you would rather. You login to MobyMax through clever!

Math: https://app.edulastic.com/#renderResource/close/MzgxOTE3MTI1NQ%3D%3D This is a topic A quiz from module 7. This is due BY FRIDAY. You can do any sprints left in our sprint journal for modules 3-6. Catch up on Zearn. Log into happy numbers, or khanacademy.com/mappers, or xtra math!  Please continue to keep up on Zearn. You should be done with module 7 lesson 5 by Monday!!!

______________________________________________________________________________

YouTube: I am linking my YouTube channel here for you all. I will read a book, or part of a book, almost everyday. I will talk about vocabulary words and I will give you ideas of what to write about afterwards. Keep checking my channel though for new material.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCS-5HJynMJBaw3ucdrQP8rw?view_as=subscriber

Social Studies: This game is fun! It tells you a state and to click and you have to click it. This is really 3rd grade work, but how cool!! Play this a couple times! Nick and I have been playing it, too! There are some harder games like naming the capitals, too! https://online.seterra.com/en/vgp/3003

Science: Here is a mystery Doug lesson for Earth Day! There is a bonus, too! https://mysteryscience.com/mini-lessons/old-earth?code=54a6567879db27348033d44df6b212c9

Scholastic News: Pick your favorite! Please watch the video, and listen to the magazine online. Please look at the vocab words and play the game, too. You do not have the magazine, so just do it online for now!

Gym: It is very cold, but if you can, go outside and stay in your yard, go for a family walk, get some fresh air! Today we are supposed to get snow!!!If you cannot do these activities because of the snow/rain try go noogle! Don’t forget to check the gym blog! GoNoodle: Home Mr. Haliburda’s Blog: https://iblog.dearbornschools.org/halibuf/

Music: I am including a new song this week! It is to help you learn the capitals of all of the states! I have been practicing it, too! Don’t forget to check Ms. Bagnall’s blog:  https://iblog.dearbornschools.org/bagnalj/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh_d9NoN3J0

Media: You are already doing it, BUT don’t forget to check Mrs. Turk’s google classroom you did in class! She is posting items in it for you! Her blog is: https://iblog.dearbornschools.org/turklib/

Art: Mrs. Thomas has 40 days of art on her blog for you to do. Mo Willems, who we have studied in class, is doing daily activities, as well. Mo Willems. Don’t forget to check Mrs. Thomas’ blog:  https://iblog.dearbornschools.org/thomas/

Hi! Sorry for the midday post. I have been trying to communicate all at once to stop flooding your emails. A couple of things:

1. I will now hold official office hours from 12pm-3pm. I will also continue to respond throughout the day and night like I have been, but I need official hours in place according to the district.
2. The link to the video Mrs. Abu-Rus shared during our whole group time today is here. She is asking each child to create a rainbow to put on their door or window. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvtGI9YxPk4
3. Dearborn is offering free seeds to families. Here is the link to ask for some. https://tinyurl.com/ya8lwdx9 Our thought is to grow veggies, fruit, or flowers together for our “Plant Science Unit” in May. They’ll deliver seeds right to your house!

Starting next week our video chat will be:

Tuesdays at 12pm BOYS only

Wednesdays at 12pm EVERYONE

Thursdays at 12pm GIRLS only.

These chats will only last about 30min or so.